john kerry said maybe it is time to stop these racial preferences. the democratic leadership council was inching down that road. that is all gone. this is why we get so demonized if we ever raise our voices against affirmative action. part of it was there was an incredibly bitter campaign in california over proposition 29 which banned racial preferences in state programs in 1996. really bitter. i think it is fair to say there is an awful lot of demonizing going on against the supporters of proposition 209. it was bloody. i think politicians look at that and say i do not want to get into that. joe lieberman backed off. even jesse jackson is attacking me. i better rethink this. >> other questions here? >> this gentleman here in the front. wait till a microphone get to you otherwise we will not hear a word you're saying. this is working its way up the southwest freeway. there we go. >> better than the metro. >> i apologize if this is very obvious to everybody in the room. in the defense a marriage act case, where does the bipartisan ago and pfizer group